Posted by Chris under Uncategorized on November 4 2009, 0 comments

Remember that once-a-week thing with SEC Rivals?  It’s a power poll, but with a limitation; they don’t want me writing a ton about each team.  Well, when it comes to only writing a few sentences at a time I’m completely incapable of that – so hey, let’s repost half the damn thing and say what I wanted to say.

1.  Florida

It’s been an interesting season for Florida; they’ve looked mostly unimpressive to casual observers but are still undefeated.  Aside from a very close call against Arkansas, they haven’t had a legitimate challenge.  But that defense is incredible: 2nd best scoring D, 12th best rushing D, 2nd best passing D.  Those that are concerned about Tim Tebow, the lack of an outside passing threat, or effective tough-yardage game (aside from the battering ram Tebow) seem to forget that there’s another side of the ball that’s been completely dominating.  Quite frankly, this team can win the title based on their defense alone; Tebow’s campaign for the little golden statue refusing a handout is just icing on the cake.

It should make a lot of sense that the Gators basically pancaked Georgia to the tune of 41-17.  These things happen when the defense turns in its usual effort and the offense has a good game.  The struggles over the last month have been almost entirely on the offense; it might be no coincidence that the offense took about 4 weeks to get going again.  After the Concussion Heard ‘Round the World, most sane people were predicting 4-5 weeks before Tebow was able to effectively recover from the concussion.  (He’s not going to fully recover; concussions don’t work like that.)  This Georgia game marked the point of effective recovery, and Tebow accounted for every single offensive touchdown.  That’s probably not a coincidence, either.

2. Alabama

At the beginning of the season, we expected Alabama to have a stifling defense and a great running game; so far, so good (their pass defense numbers aren’t great, but as teams get down they’re forced to pass, which explains it, at least).   What we didn’t expect – and what may define their title hopes – was the emergence of Greg McElroy’s deep passing.  McElroy opened with four excellent games by any measure (the yardage was down against North Texas, but …holy god, 13-15?); however, since then he has yet to top 150 yards and hasn’t even thrown for a TD in the last three weeks.  This is going to have to change if Alabama wants a title.

Alabama’s dirty little secret right now is their red zone TD conversion rate: it’s a measly 43%.  That’s going to have to improve going forward, although it certainly looks like it won’t be an issue at the moment.  It helps that K Leigh Tiffin is fantastic; he more or less won that Tennessee game thanks to 49 and 50-yard FGs to cap off stalled-out drives.  If he misses even one of those, we’re not talking about blocked kicks.

I didn’t really mention the defense here, but since we’re here: they ‘re ferocious and will eat your children.  Glad we got that straightened out.

3. LSU

LSU’s been hanging around in the top 10 for most of the season; I’m not sure that anyone knows why they’re there, though.  They’re the guy everyone thinks someone else invited to the party; it’s not that they don’t want him here, it’s just that they’re wondering why he showed up.  LSU’s offense spent most of the first six weeks of the season sleeping before finally waking up against Auburn, and it carried over to a 42-0 throttling of Tulane.

Really, LSU’s hitting their stride at the right time; the season-wide measurables aren’t great – especially on offense (if you’ve seen Charles Scott, please return him to Baton Rouge ASAP.  Love, Les) – but recent performances are significantly better than those stats would indicate.  Alabama’s going to be a rough test for the Tigers; if they manage to pass it, not only have they justified their ranking, but they’d have a legitimate shot to put two of the biggest skins out there on their wall in Alabama and Florida.  That also means they’d turn into a legitimate title contender, which would’ve been unheard of three weeks ago.

4. Tennessee

What a wild ride for Tennessee.  Going into the season, we figured that they’d have a good defense – after all, Monte Kiffin’s a walking legend for a reason – but there was no clue about how the offense was going to turn out, thanks to Jonathan Crompton’s 2008 season.  Oh, and there was a whole bunch of stuff about pumping gas, pissing off Florida, secondary violations, and an unfortunate incident involving a rifle, a goat, a boat, and a couple of commits.  (Oh wait, that one was Alabama.)  The early returns were less than ideal; Crompton gacked up the UCLA game and the offense was wholly ineffective against Florida.  Heck, even the defense had issues against Auburn.

And then …things changed.  Crompton turned into an effective passer, the team wrecked the ever-living hell out of Georgia, punched Alabama in the mouth harder than they’d been punched since the Sugar Bowl, and beat South Carolina effectively by the second quarter.  Simply put, this may be the hottest team in the SEC right now, and they’re led by a stellar defense (welcome Eric Berry to the blog, please) and a completely unreal season by Montario Hardesty.  This part of the ranking ignores head-to-head, but quite frankly right now I think Tennessee would win that game.

5. Auburn

Confession time: I love Gus Malzahn’s offense.  I love the formations, I love the motion, I love the pace, I love the unorthodox methods he has, and I love that he’s going to end up revolutionizing the college game before he’s done.  (Hell, he’s halfway there with the NFL already – all the Wildcat stuff is his.)  As a result, I have high expectations for Auburn’s offense, and so far, the running game’s been there in spades.  Ben Tate has been an absolute beast, and even I didn’t think Ontario McCalebb was going to have as much of an impact as he’s had.  The problem on offense – at least lately – has been the regression of Chris Todd, who started out the season on fire before burning out (get it?!).

The other, evil aspect of that Auburn offense is that it takes the defense some time to catch up; this was going to be an issue this season in all likelihood, but it’s been almost a larger issue than expected, as Auburn’s been in the unlikely position of needing to win shootouts nearly every week.  Sometimes it works (see: West Virginia), sometimes it doesn’t (see: LSU).  If they get the defense up to speed, watch out; it’s just not going to happen this year.

6. South Carolina

Hey look – South Carolina came out like a bat out of hell before bombing out!  I know, I know, that NEVER happens.  Cocky stormed out to a 5-1 start before going 1-2 over their last two, with at least one more likely loss (against Florida) waiting on the horizon.  Really, this South Carolina team looks a lot like last year’s with one notable exception: Stephen Garcia hasn’t looked like ass.  This team is more or less fine through the air, but they can’t do a damn thing on the ground; they not only fail to either run or stop the run, but they’ve given up the most sacks in the SEC to boot.

The silver lining for South Carolina is that most of the offensive contributors are young; Alshon Jeffery has been appropriately hyped (and likely the frontrunner for Freshman of the Year) and the RB tandem of Kenny Miles and Jarvis Giles are both freshmen, too.  Stephen Garcia’s only a sophomore, so this unit will have time to grow up together before they all get a job at the local gas station.

7. Ole Miss

Look, I can’t figure this damn team out.  On paper, there’s no reason why this team shouldn’t be 7-1 and challenging for the SEC West title, ready to pounce if LSU is able to beat Alabama.  Now they’re 5-3 and looking at the possibility – however remote – of a 6-6 finish.  How’d we even get here?  Well, it starts with the lackluster performance of Jevan Snead, who somehow has only managed to complete 51.5% of his passes so far with a 15-13 ratio.  It continues with the apparent recent discovery that Dexter McCluster is still on the roster, as for whatever reason he hadn’t gotten 20+ touches a game until the last two weeks.  That may be part of the reason why the running game’s taken so long to get going; even though McCluster has effectively two weeks at RB, he’s still leading the team in rushing.

It’s probably also not helping matter that this defense is the definition of average; for Ole Miss to emerge as a title contender, the defense was going to have to step up, and that hasn’t really occurred.  Sure, the regression of Jevan Snead hasn’t helped matters, but it’s not like it’s just him.

8. Georgia

Nobody’s fan base does emo fan quite like Georgia’s.  I love it.  The whole damn defense has continued the implosion that Alabama kicked off last year, and this time it’s extending past the elite offenses and down to the dregs – you know it’s bad when South Carolina rolls 37 on you.  Amazingly, they’re decent against the run, but the pass coverage is every bit as much of a joke as you’d expect given a 17-5 ratio (why yes, that is the most TD passes allowed along with the fewest interceptions among SEC teams, thanks for asking!).  It could be worse; they could have the worst turnover margin in the SEC.  Oh wait: that’s a -15, or worse than every other SEC team with a negative turnover margin combined.

Amazingly, the offense has also taken a step back from last season; it’s almost like they had multiple draft picks back there or something.  Joe Cox has been decent but incendiary, especially lately – aside from his 5 TD effort against Arkansas, he’s been a complete caretaker.  The problem with having a caretaker QB is also having no running game to speak of; none of the Richard Samuel / Caleb King / Washaun Ealey troika has done anything to speak of, and while they’re all young, that does the Bulldogs no favors.  So yes, with a bad pass defense and no running game, you’re In trouble.  Who’d have thought?

9. Mississippi State

I’ve always had a very slight soft spot for the Bulldogs, who seem to wallow in mediocrity after getting completely gutted by Jackie Sherrill’s Roving Band of NCAA Violators.  Sure, the Croom era had its 9-4 season (and its share of fired coaches), but Dan Mullen looks like he could at least get MSU heading in the right direction.  So far, it’s been mixed results; the biggest skin on the wall is probably a road win over Kentucky, but they played teams tough, taking LSU and Houston to the wire before falling.

As you’d expect, this team is still below average nearly everywhere …except in the rushing attack.  That’s thanks to RB Anthony Dixon, who’s been the only offensive player of note for the Bulldogs since he stepped on campus – and that hasn’t changed this year.  He’s third in the SEC in rushing yards, and absent any other offensive talent, that’s not going to change.  One other random note about the ‘Dogs: despite having a lackluster pass defense, they’re still sporting an 8-12 TD-INT ratio, including four returned for TDs.  Apparently whatever Croom had put in the water hasn’t worn off yet.

Bowl eligibility is going to be tricky; MSU’s off this week, which should help them prepare for Alabama.  Unfortunately, they’re not winning that game, so they’d have to sweep games against Arkansas and Ole Miss to get to 6-6.  I’m not saying it’s impossible … it’s just improbable.

10. Kentucky

Look, I’ll be honest: I’ve paid no attention to this team.  Rich Brooks has been around for a while, they have nobody of note on offense save ex-QB turned Wild-Wildcat QB Randall Cobb, and their key defensive cogs are either a) injured or b) declared ineligible.  They’re a solidly below average SEC team defined by a complete inability to either pass or stop the run, which …well, I’ll give ‘em credit for being unique about that, at least.

Amazingly, it looks like this team will wind up bowl eligible, as they simply need to beat Vanderbilt on the road to pull off the 6-6 season (I’m counting Eastern Kentucky as an auto-win).   If they can’t pull it off against Vandy, things get dicey with a road trip to Georgia and a home game against Tennessee, who’s been making Kentucky their football bitch since as long as I’ve been around, more or less.  I’ll make sure to celebrate Kentucky’s impending bowl eligibility by not watching any of the next two games, because: seriously, Eastern Kentucky?

11. Arkansas

Arkansas’s stayed remarkably true to prediction this season; the offense has been on fire with a fury only matched by the defense.  The one notable exception to that is the insanely-close 23-20 loss to Florida, but the defense has been a relative sieve up front and a mess in the back – it’s like a retarded mullet (bet that’s a phrase you didn’t expect to see ….oh wait, this is a SEC post, never mind).  Seriously, this pass defense is terrible.

With that being said, they’ve still got a good shot at bowl eligibility, as they’ll need to beat two of South Carolina, Troy, and Mississippi State to get there.  If that happens, it’s going to be on arm of Ryan Mallett, who’s been incendiary all season; heck, even the rushing game has been decent, especially in close-yardage situations.  Still, even with an offense like this the defense is going to have to improve – or at least be passable – in order for Arkansas to get that two-out-of-three split they’ll need.

12. Vanderbilt

I want to like Vanderbilt – really, I do.  But I have no choice other than to stick them at the bottom of the pile, as they’re the only team both eliminated from bowl consideration and one of two teams with a sub-.500 record.  Really, they don’t even have the benefit of superlatives – they have a middling running game and scoring defense, although they at least have a quality pass defense.  Of course, these positives are balanced out by a complete inability to pass, score, or stop the run, so it’s not like the positives actually mean anything.

They’ve even done a good job hanging with people; they were certainly game against Georgia Tech, even leading 31-28 in the third quarter; the problem was that they got outscored 28-0 after then.  The offense was as effective as you’d like (7.5 yards per play), but when your opponent gets 30 more plays than you and averages nearly as many yards per play, there’s going to be some issues.  It really doesn’t help matters either since it’s the rushing-happy Yellow Jackets attack.

Looking forward, young runners Warren Norman and Zac Stacy look like they’ll be good sooner rather than later.  Unfortunately, Larry Smith is having some severe growing pains and the defense won’t continue to be world-beaters (okay, world-hold-your-grounders).  What Vandy gets, they have taken away from them, so there won’t be much light at the end of the tunnel yet.

Remember that once-a-week thing with SEC Rivals? It’s a power poll, but with a limitation; they don’t want me writing a ton about each team. Well, when it comes to only writing a few sentences at a time I’m completely incapable of that – so hey, let’s repost half the damn thing and say what I wanted to say.

1. Florida

It’s been an interesting season for Florida; they’ve looked mostly unimpressive to casual observers but are still undefeated. Aside from a very close call against Arkansas, they haven’t had a legitimate challenge. But that defense is incredible: 2nd best scoring D, 12th best rushing D, 2nd best passing D. Those that are concerned about Tim Tebow, the lack of an outside passing threat, or effective tough-yardage game (aside from the battering ram Tebow) seem to forget that there’s another side of the ball that’s been completely dominating. Quite frankly, this team can win the title based on their defense alone; Tebow’s campaign for the little golden statue refusing a handout is just icing on the cake.

It should make a lot of sense that the Gators basically pancaked Georgia to the tune of 41-17. These things happen when the defense turns in its usual effort and the offense has a good game. The struggles over the last month have been almost entirely on the offense; it might be no coincidence that the offense took about 4 weeks to get going again. After the Concussion Heard ‘Round the World, most sane people were predicting 4-5 weeks before Tebow was able to effectively recover from the concussion. (He’s not going to fully recover; concussions don’t work like that.) This Georgia game marked the point of effective recovery, and Tebow accounted for every single offensive touchdown. That’s probably not a coincidence, either.

2. Alabama

At the beginning of the season, we expected Alabama to have a stifling defense and a great running game; so far, so good (their pass defense numbers aren’t great, but as teams get down they’re forced to pass, which explains it, at least). What we didn’t expect – and what may define their title hopes – was the emergence of Greg McElroy’s deep passing. McElroy opened with four excellent games by any measure (the yardage was down against North Texas, but …holy god, 13-15?); however, since then he has yet to top 150 yards and hasn’t even thrown for a TD in the last three weeks. This is going to have to change if Alabama wants a title.

Alabama’s dirty little secret right now is their red zone TD conversion rate: it’s a measly 43%. That’s going to have to improve going forward, although it certainly looks like it won’t be an issue at the moment. It helps that K Leigh Tiffin is fantastic; he more or less won that Tennessee game thanks to 49 and 50-yard FGs to cap off stalled-out drives. If he misses even one of those, we’re not talking about blocked kicks.

I didn’t really mention the defense here, but since we’re here: they ‘re ferocious and will eat your children. Glad we got that straightened out.

3. LSU

LSU’s been hanging around in the top 10 for most of the season; I’m not sure that anyone knows why they’re there, though. They’re the guy everyone thinks someone else invited to the party; it’s not that they don’t want him here, it’s just that they’re wondering why he showed up. LSU’s offense spent most of the first six weeks of the season sleeping before finally waking up against Auburn, and it carried over to a 42-0 throttling of Tulane.

Really, LSU’s hitting their stride at the right time; the season-wide measurables aren’t great – especially on offense (if you’ve seen Charles Scott, please return him to Baton Rouge ASAP. Love, Les) – but recent performances are significantly better than those stats would indicate. Alabama’s going to be a rough test for the Tigers; if they manage to pass it, not only have they justified their ranking, but they’d have a legitimate shot to put two of the biggest skins out there on their wall in Alabama and Florida. That also means they’d turn into a legitimate title contender, which would’ve been unheard of three weeks ago.

4. Tennessee

What a wild ride for Tennessee. Going into the season, we figured that they’d have a good defense – after all, Monte Kiffin’s a walking legend for a reason – but there was no clue about how the offense was going to turn out, thanks to Jonathan Crompton’s 2008 season. Oh, and there was a whole bunch of stuff about pumping gas, pissing off Florida, secondary violations, and an unfortunate incident involving a rifle, a goat, a boat, and a couple of commits. (Oh wait, that one was Alabama.) The early returns were less than ideal; Crompton gacked up the UCLA game and the offense was wholly ineffective against Florida. Heck, even the defense had issues against Auburn.

And then …things changed. Crompton turned into an effective passer, the team wrecked the ever-living hell out of Georgia, punched Alabama in the mouth harder than they’d been punched since the Sugar Bowl, and beat South Carolina effectively by the second quarter. Simply put, this may be the hottest team in the SEC right now, and they’re led by a stellar defense (welcome Eric Berry to the blog, please) and a completely unreal season by Montario Hardesty. This part of the ranking ignores head-to-head, but quite frankly right now I think Tennessee would win that game.

5. Auburn

Confession time: I love Gus Malzahn’s offense. I love the formations, I love the motion, I love the pace, I love the unorthodox methods he has, and I love that he’s going to end up revolutionizing the college game before he’s done. (Hell, he’s halfway there with the NFL already – all the Wildcat stuff is his.) As a result, I have high expectations for Auburn’s offense, and so far, the running game’s been there in spades. Ben Tate has been an absolute beast, and even I didn’t think Ontario McCalebb was going to have as much of an impact as he’s had. The problem on offense – at least lately – has been the regression of Chris Todd, who started out the season on fire before burning out (get it?!).

The other, evil aspect of that Auburn offense is that it takes the defense some time to catch up; this was going to be an issue this season in all likelihood, but it’s been almost a larger issue than expected, as Auburn’s been in the unlikely position of needing to win shootouts nearly every week. Sometimes it works (see: West Virginia), sometimes it doesn’t (see: LSU). If they get the defense up to speed, watch out; it’s just not going to happen this year.

6. South Carolina

Hey look – South Carolina came out like a bat out of hell before bombing out! I know, I know, that NEVER happens. Cocky stormed out to a 5-1 start before going 1-2 over their last two, with at least one more likely loss (against Florida) waiting on the horizon. Really, this South Carolina team looks a lot like last year’s with one notable exception: Stephen Garcia hasn’t looked like ass. This team is more or less fine through the air, but they can’t do a damn thing on the ground; they not only fail to either run or stop the run, but they’ve given up the most sacks in the SEC to boot.

The silver lining for South Carolina is that most of the offensive contributors are young; Alshon Jeffery has been appropriately hyped (and likely the frontrunner for Freshman of the Year) and the RB tandem of Kenny Miles and Jarvis Giles are both freshmen, too. Stephen Garcia’s only a sophomore, so this unit will have time to grow up together before they all get a job at the local gas station.

7. Ole Miss

Look, I can’t figure this damn team out. On paper, there’s no reason why this team shouldn’t be 7-1 and challenging for the SEC West title, ready to pounce if LSU is able to beat Alabama. Now they’re 5-3 and looking at the possibility – however remote – of a 6-6 finish. How’d we even get here? Well, it starts with the lackluster performance of Jevan Snead, who somehow has only managed to complete 51.5% of his passes so far with a 15-13 ratio. It continues with the apparent recent discovery that Dexter McCluster is still on the roster, as for whatever reason he hadn’t gotten 20+ touches a game until the last two weeks. That may be part of the reason why the running game’s taken so long to get going; even though McCluster has effectively two weeks at RB, he’s still leading the team in rushing.

It’s probably also not helping matter that this defense is the definition of average; for Ole Miss to emerge as a title contender, the defense was going to have to step up, and that hasn’t really occurred. Sure, the regression of Jevan Snead hasn’t helped matters, but it’s not like it’s just him.

8. Georgia

Nobody’s fan base does emo fan quite like Georgia’s. I love it. The whole damn defense has continued the implosion that Alabama kicked off last year, and this time it’s extending past the elite offenses and down to the dregs – you know it’s bad when South Carolina rolls 37 on you. Amazingly, they’re decent against the run, but the pass coverage is every bit as much of a joke as you’d expect given a 17-5 ratio (why yes, that is the most TD passes allowed along with the fewest interceptions among SEC teams, thanks for asking!). It could be worse; they could have the worst turnover margin in the SEC. Oh wait: that’s a -15, or worse than every other SEC team with a negative turnover margin combined.

Amazingly, the offense has also taken a step back from last season; it’s almost like they had multiple draft picks back there or something. Joe Cox has been decent but incendiary, especially lately – aside from his 5 TD effort against Arkansas, he’s been a complete caretaker. The problem with having a caretaker QB is also having no running game to speak of; none of the Richard Samuel / Caleb King / Washaun Ealey troika has done anything to speak of, and while they’re all young, that does the Bulldogs no favors. So yes, with a bad pass defense and no running game, you’re In trouble. Who’d have thought?

9. Mississippi State

I’ve always had a very slight soft spot for the Bulldogs, who seem to wallow in mediocrity after getting completely gutted by Jackie Sherrill’s Roving Band of NCAA Violators. Sure, the Croom era had its 9-4 season (and its share of fired coaches), but Dan Mullen looks like he could at least get MSU heading in the right direction. So far, it’s been mixed results; the biggest skin on the wall is probably a road win over Kentucky, but they played teams tough, taking LSU and Houston to the wire before falling.

As you’d expect, this team is still below average nearly everywhere …except in the rushing attack. That’s thanks to RB Anthony Dixon, who’s been the only offensive player of note for the Bulldogs since he stepped on campus – and that hasn’t changed this year. He’s third in the SEC in rushing yards, and absent any other offensive talent, that’s not going to change. One other random note about the ‘Dogs: despite having a lackluster pass defense, they’re still sporting an 8-12 TD-INT ratio, including four returned for TDs. Apparently whatever Croom had put in the water hasn’t worn off yet.

Bowl eligibility is going to be tricky; MSU’s off this week, which should help them prepare for Alabama. Unfortunately, they’re not winning that game, so they’d have to sweep games against Arkansas and Ole Miss to get to 6-6. I’m not saying it’s impossible … it’s just improbable.

10. Kentucky

Look, I’ll be honest: I’ve paid no attention to this team. Rich Brooks has been around for a while, they have nobody of note on offense save ex-QB turned Wild-Wildcat QB Randall Cobb, and their key defensive cogs are either a) injured or b) declared ineligible. They’re a solidly below average SEC team defined by a complete inability to either pass or stop the run, which …well, I’ll give ‘em credit for being unique about that, at least.

Amazingly, it looks like this team will wind up bowl eligible, as they simply need to beat Vanderbilt on the road to pull off the 6-6 season (I’m counting Eastern Kentucky as an auto-win). If they can’t pull it off against Vandy, things get dicey with a road trip to Georgia and a home game against Tennessee, who’s been making Kentucky their football bitch since as long as I’ve been around, more or less. I’ll make sure to celebrate Kentucky’s impending bowl eligibility by not watching any of the next two games, because: seriously, Eastern Kentucky?

11. Arkansas

Arkansas’s stayed remarkably true to prediction this season; the offense has been on fire with a fury only matched by the defense. The one notable exception to that is the insanely-close 23-20 loss to Florida, but the defense has been a relative sieve up front and a mess in the back – it’s like a retarded mullet (bet that’s a phrase you didn’t expect to see ….oh wait, this is a SEC post, never mind). Seriously, this pass defense is terrible.

With that being said, they’ve still got a good shot at bowl eligibility, as they’ll need to beat two of South Carolina, Troy, and Mississippi State to get there. If that happens, it’s going to be on arm of Ryan Mallett, who’s been incendiary all season; heck, even the rushing game has been decent, especially in close-yardage situations. Still, even with an offense like this the defense is going to have to improve – or at least be passable – in order for Arkansas to get that two-out-of-three split they’ll need.

12. Vanderbilt

I want to like Vanderbilt – really, I do. But I have no choice other than to stick them at the bottom of the pile, as they’re the only team both eliminated from bowl consideration and one of two teams with a sub-.500 record. Really, they don’t even have the benefit of superlatives – they have a middling running game and scoring defense, although they at least have a quality pass defense. Of course, these positives are balanced out by a complete inability to pass, score, or stop the run, so it’s not like the positives actually mean anything.

They’ve even done a good job hanging with people; they were certainly game against Georgia Tech, even leading 31-28 in the third quarter; the problem was that they got outscored 28-0 after then. The offense was as effective as you’d like (7.5 yards per play), but when your opponent gets 30 more plays than you and averages nearly as many yards per play, there’s going to be some issues. It really doesn’t help matters either since it’s the rushing-happy Yellow Jackets attack.

Looking forward, young runners Warren Norman and Zac Stacy look like they’ll be good sooner rather than later. Unfortunately, Larry Smith is having some severe growing pains and the defense won’t continue to be world-beaters (okay, world-hold-your-grounders). What Vandy gets, they have taken away from them, so there won’t be much light at the end of the tunnel yet.

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